Saturday, August 21, 2010

What would the puppies of two cockapoo parents turn out like?

I saw this as question open for voting on, but not answering. That's because all the answers were wrong!





An F1 Cockapoo is a cross between a Poodle and a Cocker Spaniel. The resulting personality is unparalleled in its ability to relate to people and children. They are famous for being loyal, affectionate, open and friendly, eager to please, easily trained and they don't shed.





Purebreds and inbreeds often carry genetic disease. Heterosis is the phenomenon where crossing two inbred lines can produce descendants with superior genetic foundation. This goal in this scenario is not to create a new breed, but to create a happy and healthy pet. You lose this benefit when you inbreed cockapoos(F2).


So the question is not what would they look like, but would they be healthy? Do you have an F2? Is it healthy?





In my opinion, If you get a cockapoo, get an F1 Poodle-Spaniel mix. Go to a reputable breeder, choose your pup based on personality, looks etc.





Am I right?What would the puppies of two cockapoo parents turn out like?
An F1 can shed. As the cocker sheds and the F1 is a mix, it's unclear if the dog will inherit that trait from the cocker parent. How much will the dog shed? That's unclear, too.





An F2 can be healthy (if the parents were healthy). I'm assuming the cocker line of the mother was healthy and unrelated to the cocker line of the father. Same with the poodle lines. (Albeit the breed lines would be distantly related because they are the same breed.)





Yes, I think an F2 could be as healthy as an F1.





As for hybrid vigor, I'm not a geneticist but I don't think it would watered down so fast in one generation.





And an F2 could have more predictability with regards to shedding.





If you really want an F1, then perhaps an older one is the way to go because then the traits would be clear.





I don't have a cockapoo, but I have owned a cocker. She was champion bred (literally dozens of champions in her pedigree). A gorgeous dog with some temperament and unfortunately health problems.What would the puppies of two cockapoo parents turn out like?
a mixed breed bred to anything is a mixed breed. I tend to focus more on training. health issues are out of our control for the most part.
Or people can realize that hybrid vigor is a myth and adopt a mutt from a shelter instead of paying ridiculous prices from one. There is no such thing as a reputable hybrid breeder... they are mutts and do nothing but contribute to the millions of dogs and cats that die in shelters each year.





You should be choosing a pup based on genetic testing, health background, how many confirmations the ***** and stud have won... stuff like that... not looks.
It all depends. The Cockapoo is a breed that is in process of becoming a ';standard';. Breeding is the key. Standardshave been established and registration with the AKC is in process. Check out www.cockapooclub.org among others.
Your wrong , in the first place no reputable breeder would ever purposely produce mutts.





Second breeding a poodle and a cocker does not eleminate genetic defects, all you have to do it look around...... how many shepherd,rotti, lab mixes are free of hip problems???? Not to many that I have see. The reason is, if you breed 2 purebreds together that share common genetic problems; the pups they produce can then have those common problem plus they also become carriers of all the other genetic problems common to both breeds, Which if you breed two F1 together can produce a genetic mismashed mess.





Breeders of these F1 dogs will not have top quality purebreds to start with because no reputable breeder of purebreds is going to sell these breeders a pup or dog with breeding rights. So these breeders of hybrids have to turn to the BYB and puppymill breeders to acquire their purebreds for breeding purposes, so they are then starting their breeding programs with genetically inferior purebreds.





As a result of a cocker/poodle breeding there will be a high risk of the F1 pups having Von_Willebrand's Disease, Hip Dyplasia, Patella Sub-luxation, Sebaceous Adenitis, PRA, Epilepsy, and Hypothyroidism because these are genetic problem common both to the cocker and the poodle but the F1 pups will also be carrier of genes other problem that are in each of the breeds, and if you breed them together the their pups could have any of the genetics that is common in both the poodle and the cocker such as in addition to what I listed already, Legg-Calve'-Perthes, Addison's Disease, Cataracts, Retinal Dysplasia, Keratoconjunctivitis Sicca, Cherry Eye, Distichiasis, Ectropion, Entropion, Imperforate Lacrimal Punctum, Episcleritis, Optic Nerve Coloboma, Persistent Pupillary Membrane, Corneal Dystrophy, Factor X Deficiency, Immune-Mediated Blood Disease, Intervertebral disc disease, Liver disease, Dilative cardiomyopathy, Sick Sinus Syndrome, Seborrhea, Allergies





So yes F1 are better than F2 but with out the ability to start with only the very best bred poodles and cockers there is no way to produce genetically healthy F1s. And with all the breeders that have jumped on the money bandwagon you would hard pressed to find a breeder you understand anything about genetics, If you could even find one who can explain what SIMPLE and POLYGENIC AUTOSOMAL genetic defects are you just might have a chance at getting a healthy hybrid puppy.....maybe.
No you are totally wrong. Mixing a cocker and a poodle does not guarantee temperament or health. A second generation of a cockapoo to a cockapoo should not be done with siblings or close relatives but somewhere if cockapoo people want to develop a breed where they will have any predictability they will have to start line breeding and breeding generations of cockapoos not F1s

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